tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1771406579622061482.post1622331994906600358..comments2023-06-22T11:03:21.836-04:00Comments on Irene and Man Yung's Tango Blog: NiceIrene and Man Yunghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06902209997189563931noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1771406579622061482.post-41502939222513335152011-02-03T16:09:15.644-05:002011-02-03T16:09:15.644-05:00Dear Damian,
You are absolutely right the followe...Dear Damian,<br /><br />You are absolutely right the follower is responsible for being reckless as well! As for apologies - we agree with you, both should apologize - however, they only go part way, we in Toronto have repeat offenders who think that saying sorry is ok and then they smash into someone 30 seconds later (and apologize again). It is not ok!<br /><br />Thanks for your comments,<br /><br />Irene and Man YungIrene and Man Yunghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06902209997189563931noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1771406579622061482.post-28427330732786867652011-01-28T12:24:07.114-05:002011-01-28T12:24:07.114-05:00Dear Laurie,
I didn't see what happened on th...Dear Laurie,<br /><br />I didn't see what happened on the dance floor that night, but I think both leader and follower have a responsibility to keep the dance floor safe. The leader should learn how to navigate, and should not lead anything that would hit or threaten to hit others on the dance floor. Some leaders think that they are sufficiently skilled to lead the big dangerous movements and if they find an opening on the floor, they'll do it. They don't realize that they are interrupting the flow and being a nasty threat even if they don't actually "hit" anyone. All the sensible leaders have to be on their toes trying to avoid the crazy ones. The "crazies" eventually do hit someone - and then someone's hurt, an apology, no matter how sincere, for being such an ass**** (we have received quite a few from the Hokey Pokey Ostrich - we give him the evil eye) just won't do.<br /><br />As for the ladies, they have a responsibility to refuse to dance with these maniacs, and a responsibility to keep their adornments and kicks down! The rabid adornistas and the careless kickers (especially with voleos of regular and linear variety) are the ones who usually end up spiking someone (or themselves) in the foot.<br /><br />Who was it that got gashed? Could you tell me the next time we see you? <br /><br />Thanks for your comment,<br /><br />IreneIrene and Man Yunghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06902209997189563931noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1771406579622061482.post-25181813931040464422011-01-28T12:24:03.561-05:002011-01-28T12:24:03.561-05:00Dear Laurie,
I didn't see what happened on th...Dear Laurie,<br /><br />I didn't see what happened on the dance floor that night, but I think both leader and follower have a responsibility to keep the dance floor safe. The leader should learn how to navigate, and should not lead anything that would hit or threaten to hit others on the dance floor. Some leaders think that they are sufficiently skilled to lead the big dangerous movements and if they find an opening on the floor, they'll do it. They don't realize that they are interrupting the flow and being a nasty threat even if they don't actually "hit" anyone. All the sensible leaders have to be on their toes trying to avoid the crazy ones. The "crazies" eventually do hit someone - and then someone's hurt, an apology, no matter how sincere, for being such an ass**** (we have received quite a few from the Hokey Pokey Ostrich - we give him the evil eye) just won't do.<br /><br />As for the ladies, they have a responsibility to refuse to dance with these maniacs, and a responsibility to keep their adornments and kicks down! The rabid adornistas and the careless kickers (especially with voleos of regular and linear variety) are the ones who usually end up spiking someone (or themselves) in the foot.<br /><br />Who was it that got gashed? Could you tell me the next time we see you? <br /><br />Thanks for your comment,<br /><br />IreneIrene and Man Yunghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06902209997189563931noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1771406579622061482.post-50586629130109605482011-01-28T12:19:16.718-05:002011-01-28T12:19:16.718-05:00Laurie
In my experience and my 2 cents worth.
Bo...Laurie<br /><br />In my experience and my 2 cents worth.<br /><br />Both can be at fault.. the leader for leading and the follower for following. We as leaders cannot physically force a high, or 'flying' boleo/gancho. It is suggested with the music, the velocity in the change of direction etc, but there is still an onus on the follower to be aware as well - especially if they don't know the leader that well...<br /><br />Sometimes I've lead soft, low floor boleos only to be shocked with a heel approaching my face.... <br /><br />So, unless you were there... in the partnership.. tis hard to say. Really the 2 dancing should both apologise in this situation....Damian Thompsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17797254147904112300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1771406579622061482.post-69700295973007646732011-01-28T10:52:41.760-05:002011-01-28T10:52:41.760-05:00Too Funny Irene!
HokeyPokeyOstrich is very enterta...Too Funny Irene!<br />HokeyPokeyOstrich is very entertaining on a slow night.<br />And like Man Yung, a"nice" man -who would dance with me in the beginning. Now that I am more experienced, only your husband still invites me to dance. This is a very good thing (for me) and very instructive in the ways and motivations of leaders of the "showy" persuasion.<br />I arrived just after the gashing of Ms._'s shin Sunday before last. Her wound is still very painful looking, and led to the question of who is more dangerous: the leader or she of the flying stiletto. My dance partner insists it was the leader who should know better. You were there, What do you think?<br />LaurieLauriehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13621130951475788691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1771406579622061482.post-49658893699449167142011-01-12T21:35:25.764-05:002011-01-12T21:35:25.764-05:00Sadly, the floods in Queensland are continuing to ...Sadly, the floods in Queensland are continuing to wreak havoc to the affected communities. Thanks for your thoughts, Irene and Man. In contrast, we usually suffer severe droughts here in our part of the country.<br /><br />Further thoughts on the topic of being "nice": <br />A view commonly voiced by "nice" ladies is that they can't afford to refuse an invitation to dance, otherwise they won't be invited again. <br />My response, in addition to my earlier comment: I prefer quality rather than quantity. Terry's experience in Buenos Aires milongas is so true. Everyone sees everything. So in BsAs, in particular, I avoid potential partners who make me look other than competent and elegant.<br /><br />Another view sometimes heard:<br />"Ladies should see it as a privilege to be invited to dance."<br />My view: That's utter rubbish. I'm not prepared to subject myself willingly to the behaviours described above for the benefit of a partner's ego, especially (as Damian said) if that partner is not prepared to work at learning better skills. <br /><br />Anyway, that's my two cents.<br /><br />Un abrazo tanguero para todos,<br />PatriciaTango Salon Adelaidehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14602664648454154268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1771406579622061482.post-26696356439396375622011-01-12T16:47:19.741-05:002011-01-12T16:47:19.741-05:00Heya Patricia, nice to see you here :-) ?? :-)
...Heya Patricia, nice to see you here :-) ?? :-)<br /><br />Irene, I have to agree with Patricia - "being nice sometimes" is not really nice... It's destructive for the other dancers if they don't improve. I certainly do do my fair share of "Charity Dancing", but only with students that want to improve. <br /><br />I don't dance with dancers that think they are great and have never done a lesson... Nope... that is just plain rude of them to think I should dance with them. Sorry, but my efforts in learning to dance, and now teaching are for those that take it more than just as a passing or long lasting phase without learning about it. <br /><br />Bit like, would you get into a aircraft with a self taught pilot.... Me... Only with a parachute and only if I can sit near the door watching them....<br /><br />The more women empower themselves and say no, sooner or later, they either go away, or they ask why in which case you should tell them or maybe and hopefully, they realise that they are not good enough and take lessons.<br /><br />Enjoy tango! ;-)<br />DamianDamian Thompsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17797254147904112300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1771406579622061482.post-36767311799935027892011-01-12T16:47:04.405-05:002011-01-12T16:47:04.405-05:00Heya Patricia, nice to see you here :-) ?? :-)
...Heya Patricia, nice to see you here :-) ?? :-)<br /><br />Irene, I have to agree with Patricia - "being nice sometimes" is not really nice... It's destructive for the other dancers if they don't improve. I certainly do do my fair share of "Charity Dancing", but only with students that want to improve. <br /><br />I don't dance with dancers that think they are great and have never done a lesson... Nope... that is just plain rude of them to think I should dance with them. Sorry, but my efforts in learning to dance, and now teaching are for those that take it more than just as a passing or long lasting phase without learning about it. <br /><br />Bit like, would you get into a aircraft with a self taught pilot.... Me... Only with a parachute and only if I can sit near the door watching them....<br /><br />The more women empower themselves and say no, sooner or later, they either go away, or they ask why in which case you should tell them or maybe and hopefully, they realise that they are not good enough and take lessons.<br /><br />Enjoy tango! ;-)<br />DamianDamian Thompsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17797254147904112300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1771406579622061482.post-48915192228436483592011-01-12T13:20:43.678-05:002011-01-12T13:20:43.678-05:00P.S.
Dear Patricia,
We saw on the news about the...P.S.<br /><br />Dear Patricia,<br /><br />We saw on the news about the floods in Australia last night - we immediately thought about you. It appears from the news that the major flooding isn't around Adelaide, but in any case, we hope that you, your loved ones and any who are affected by the disaster are safe, and that everything will be resolved quickly and safely for all.<br /><br />All the best,<br /><br />Irene and Man YungIrene and Man Yunghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06902209997189563931noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1771406579622061482.post-75828901633390472102011-01-12T13:16:17.810-05:002011-01-12T13:16:17.810-05:00Dear Patricia and Terry,
1. Tango Life is, indee...Dear Patricia and Terry,<br /><br />1. Tango Life is, indeed, cruel. <br /><br />2. But looking on the bright side, if people won't dance with sucky dancers, the said sucky dancers will have motivation to become better! As Patricia said oh so rightly, the people who refuse to dance with the said sucky dancer are actually doing them a favour.<br /><br />3. Unfortunately, in some areas of Toronto, we have become deluged with bad dancers. As there are numerous levels of horrendousness, those who think they are less horrendous actually believe they can become performers, instructors, all around "Tango Professionals"! Not only do they attempt to teach (not only on the dance floor, but in "classes" as well), they go around asking followers to dance in such an arrogant way, it has the psychological effect of making the inexperienced follower think that they really got the goods. The two proceed to hijack the dance floor with their hijinks. And then the whole milonga (indeed the whole tango community) erupts in a mad frenzy as everyone tries to outdo each other in tango ridiculousness. We have documented this phenomenon here:<br /><br />http://ireneandmanyung.blogspot.com/2008/11/tallest-of-seven-dwarves.html<br /><br />4. Terry: Matador? Hee! Check out this post we wrote for even more inspiration: <br /><br />http://ireneandmanyung.blogspot.com/2008/05/no-its-not-cool-to-be-called-el-nabo.html<br /><br />Thanks for your comments, and your tango community will thank you for saying no!<br /><br />Irene and Man YungIrene and Man Yunghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06902209997189563931noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1771406579622061482.post-29040404573378349642011-01-11T17:59:38.400-05:002011-01-11T17:59:38.400-05:00In London Hokey Pokey man is known as the Matador....In London Hokey Pokey man is known as the Matador.Preen and Oglehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01252900865210008512noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1771406579622061482.post-91760464370868046682011-01-11T11:54:25.870-05:002011-01-11T11:54:25.870-05:00Last August, in a popular BsAs milonga I was advis...Last August, in a popular BsAs milonga I was advised by the lady organiser (who speaks fluent English) to look and choose carefully before I cabaceod a follower. "Well", said I, wearing my English 'nice hat' "How bad can it be if I don't and she is not such a great dancer? After all it's only 10 minutes of my life!". "Very, very bad indeed", was the shocked reply."She will make you look bad and you won't get accepted by the good followers". She was right of course. Sad it is such a cruel old world.<br />TerryPreen and Oglehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01252900865210008512noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1771406579622061482.post-16534111005252134982011-01-11T00:25:27.929-05:002011-01-11T00:25:27.929-05:00Well said, Irene!
I believe that dancing with so...Well said, Irene! <br /><br />I believe that dancing with someone just to be "nice" can be quite counter-productive to that person. By that I mean that they won't need to stop and reflect on why people don't want to dance with them. By being "nice", one is reinforcing the behaviour (something I just wrote about in my latest blog "Respect"). As a result they won't progress to the next stage and realise that they need to do something about their social skills, dietary habits, dancing skills, etc. <br /><br />This may sound harsh, but I think that in the long term, you could actually be doing such people a great favour by not dancing with them. <br /><br />Patricia<br />Tango Salon AdelaideTango Salon Adelaidehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14602664648454154268noreply@blogger.com